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Davey B



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Rospa or Not ? Reply with quote

Having recently passed my I.A.M. Test i am looking to become an observer for other motorcyclists, whilst i have had some experience as a Police Driver Trainer with Northumbria Police (cars) do you think it is necessary to take the ROSPA test as well. In my heart i think i already know the answer but what do you think-all advice will be warmly accepted. Thanks. Shocked (Emoticon care of my 7year old daughter)
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Bones



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necessary:?

Beuty is i the eye of the beholder....and ultimately its up to you....(choose your destiny young Jedi)

Usefull, challenging, Ultimate riding pleasure, maintenance of the hightest civilian standards:

YES, YES and errrrm? oh...YES!!!! Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

get stuck in you wont regret it....theres tonnes of ACE IAM members with us too and several have moved to RoSPA for their next move

may be we'll get a ride out sometime and you can give me a few tips and pointers Razz

Rich
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Rospa or Not ? Reply with quote

Hi bones thanks for answering my query i am still waiting for a reply to my joining instructions and to when the next meeting will be, hope you had a good new year and all the best for 2008 Cool
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RoadaAdmin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hia DaveyB

Next meeting is third tuesday in february

Keep an eye here closer to the date for a description of what's on for that date
http://www.roadar-northeast.co.uk/diary.html

Full details of how to join us are here
http://www.roadar-northeast.co.uk/contact.html
the simplest way is to fill out the form and click the send button then follow your your application with a subs cheque through the post

Applications are normally turned around within a week

Hope this helps mate
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that i think my cheque must have gone awol so on my next ride out think i'll just drop it in to the person concerned if thats ok. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a quick check in my RoADAR Northeast applications, and I can confirm that I HAVE received your electronic application.

That will be fine if you dont mind wating for your membership application to be processed... (or you could resend the cheque if you wnat your membership application to be processed quicker)...(or maybe at Februarys meeting is another option)

The only problem is that we cant offer tutoring untill subs have been received and membership has been processed

Its your call (no pressure either way)

Richard
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta very much for the confirmation of my electronic application, what i will do is pay my subscription at the februarys meeting which i am looking forward to and to meeting you guys/galls. See you there. Cool
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way back in December last year i posed the question as to whether to take the Rospa test having recently passed with the I.A.M. I received a worthy reply but due to the (appeared) lack of activity with this group (riders) i'm beginning to wonder whether it will be worth it. I am due to take some Observers Training with D.A.M in the early part of August and apart from the impeccable work that John Ennis has done with me i have to repeat the question Ropa or not? Cool
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allym316



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have asked members what they would like to see the local group offer and not had much if any response to be honest Davey...

The go karting team didnt happen

Theres a bbq scheduled for sometime in the summer but thats yet to be arranged.

Have you any suggestions as to activities - I note the reminder about the rideouts - that youd be interested in?
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know as regards the skid Car it is taking some time to get that off the ground too but i am constantly in touch with Andre and he has promised me he will let me know when he is able to run a course for us it will be well worth the wait i promise you. With the Go Karting why dont we just turn up and race each other give me some time to get some blub off first so my kart can go a little quicker i dont want to be totally demoralised Sad
THE BBQ - I dont mind putting that on at my house only thing is and its gonna sound daft ive not got a bbq (but i could buy one) ive said for years i'm gonna get one but have never got round to doing it, because ive not got one the obvious thing to say is ive never cooked on one so i would need an 'Expert' in that field to help me out - wouldnt want to POISON anyone Surprised The ride out could always team up with throttlejockey members they are always up for it, or we could just go out for a run ourselves. How about a trip to see India 99 in the flesh, get aboard, take piccies its something i could try to arrange - more of a personal touch in a relaxed atmosphere rather than at the Bike Wise event whats your thoughts? Cool
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John Steele



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: RoSPA or not? Reply with quote

Davey B wrote:
Way back in December last year i posed the question as to whether to take the Rospa test having recently passed with the I.A.M. I received a worthy reply but due to the (appeared) lack of activity with this group (riders) i'm beginning to wonder whether it will be worth it. I am due to take some Observers Training with D.A.M in the early part of August and apart from the impeccable work that John Ennis has done with me i have to repeat the question Ropa or not? Cool


Hi Davey B,
Ally flagged your disquiet......
I'm not trying to reply on behalf of the committee - these are just my own thoughts on things (and remember, I'm only a driver).

Do we offer more than IAM: that is easily answered (I think): yes of course we do because we grade the test results AND we demand that our members re-test every three years. I think that's not quite what you are asking BUT, in my mind, it's an answer which deals with our core activity.

As for whether we offer our members much at the moment, that's a little trickier and I'm tempted to answer (unhelpfully!), "that depends.....". It depends on what our members want (outside of, and in addition to, our core training activity) and also on what we are able and willing to provide.

I've been a member for about 4 years and a car tutor for about 3 and a committee member for 2 and in that time I've frequently been a bit discouraged about the failure of my attempts to get both "ordinary" members and (a while back now) car tutors involved in on-line (or any for that matter) discussions on advanced driving and, in particular, the process of tutoring.

The reality may be that people join this organization with a fairly limited objective: to receive the training and do the test. Full Stop. The issue of communication between tutors is another matter which is not central here and is, I think, starting to be addressed.

We have a steady but minority attendance at the monthly meetings - this may be a reflection of the above or a reflection on the standard of the meetings (sadly I always work on a Tuesday evening but my impression is that I'm missing some good talks so I tend to go for my first bit of speculation: most members aren't that interested in turning out of an evening or, like me, simply can't make it).

We also steadily lose a fair proportion of members at the end of their first year. Again, we have no way of knowing whether this reflects the satisfactory achievement of their sole objective or a reflection of us not offering more. I suspect the former (not many go for the "easy" option of setting up a standing order for their subscription) but I have no way of knowing.

If members want to get more out the organization, I think it is up to them to make this clear, make suggestions and even to run with their ideas themselves. Any member has access both to the Newsletter and the forum to try out such ideas and a small number of us have done this, most recently Ally with her Ladies' Night. I think it is certainly appropriate to approach the committee with requests for help or advice on communicating with members or setting up activities but I also would point out that the committee consists of unpaid volunteers with many other things in our lives.

I, for one, frequently feel "over-RoSPA'd": three driving students who I try to see on a weekly basis (getting on for three half days a week) and, as Secretary, I do spend quite a bit of time on agendas, minutes, letters, writing new Constitutions, attending exhibitions, emailing etc., etc...... Put your hankies away - I'll stop now. Frankly, if anyone tried to persuade me that I should become more involved, I would be taking a big step backwards. But that's just me: I've remained in RoADAR Northeast cos I'm a tutor and I wish to support the organization that supports me in tutoring. That's my main interest and my most important contribution but obviously some members will want more than a simply involvement in the training process - the questions are what? and how many want it?

I suspect that bikers are just nicer, friendlier people who go on rides together (and I can see the delights of that). Feel free to ignore a grumpy old man and I wish you well whichever organization you choose to support (but, obviously, I do hope it's RoSPA).
regards,
John.
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of courtesy john thankyou for your thoughts and ideas, i will get back to you on that it was a pretty comprehensive message. As its now 01:23 on monday morning i have to retire and just for the record, i don't ignore grumpy old men and certainly wouldn't put you in that bracket anyway, tho' there are some i would, bye for now. 01:27 Cool
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badger



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi davey, rospa yes do the test. i've done both and found the rospa test is a little bit stricker than the IAM test thats not to say the IAM is not of a high standard it is a pass or fail so you may just pass or you could have excelled. try the rospa test i have heard some IAM observers have not reached a gold you might there's only one way to find out.
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know this is strange how its ended up, i first enquired whether i needed to take the RoSPA test when i returned to biking in may of last year after a long spell of 20 odd years. I spoke with whom i class as a well respected and competent trainer whom some of you may know as Paul Henry an Advanced Driver/Rider Trainer for Northumbria Police Driving School. Paul spent some time with me and at the end of our talk came to the conclusion that because of my background i was more than quallified not to take the test and said i would make a worthy contribution as an observer and with some input be able to start straight away. It got me thinking though if i am to observe and offer advice then surely it would be better if i was to go through the whole process myself then it would put me in a better position to coach others, hence going the I.A.M route first then onto the ultimate test with RoSPA (incidently i was told that my i.a.m test was the best test the examiner had been on and he had thoroughly enjoyed it) just thought i'd add that bit in. So this is where i am at now, impending Training day with D.A.M which i am really looking forward to and still undecided with RoADAR. Rolling Eyes Cool
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Davey B



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John i think you have hit the nail on the head, it appears that the majority of members are just interested in the 'Training' apects and are'nt to fussed
about the social side of things. Whereas i like to bounce ideas off each other and discuss the finer art of Advanced Riding/Driving it is not to everyones taste. I have to say i am still undecided as to what i really want to do, i am still going to go out with John Ennis i owe him that much for his efforts and will probably take the plunge and take the test-after that (whatever grade i receive) i'm not sure what i'll do. Looking forward to the newsletter as i have given mel some 'food for thought', take care and i hope you are feeling better. Sad
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